EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3

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Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.22 19:06:00 - [1] If the rax has always been like this why has everyone decided to whine about it just now? Is it bitter missiles users? Also why does everyone want to deny new players a pvp capable ship thats affordable and easily trainable or do we want everyone to train skills for 6 months till they can use a T2 ships or bs? Anyway as long as you increase pg and cpu you can nerf the drone bay all you want otherwise the rax will become useless
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.23 10:15:00 - [2] The arbitrator is not sub-par. Ive seen what that ship can do in skilled hands. Even if you nerf the dronebay your still gonna have people using the small blasters and 1600m plate setup just because small blasters are alot better then med blasters and you can fit a whole rack. Ive killed other cruisers with this setup with out using any heavies before so people are still gonna complain even if you took the whole drone bay away. In reality the rax is gimped as it has to rely on a setup which it was never intended for just to be useable. In fact cruisers in general need to be completely over hauled and thought long and hard about where there role really is. so the rax is overpowered because it exists in a generally underpowered class
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:53:00 - [3] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: HUGO DRAX A Raven could wipe out a tanked thorax in no time what with? a raven has less drones than a rax, its missiles do (almost) nothing (unless it fits heavies, thus borking its anti-BS setup), nosferatus don't have much affect on a rax - so what is a raven supposed to do - unless that raven is in an antirax setup (with smarties, and probably heavy missiles), the rax wins. now, imagine that raven is fighting a maller - nossy the thing till its caps are dead, then use heavy drones to kill the thing - u can fire cruise missiles as well - they will add A BIT of DPS - not enough to "wipe a tanked thorax in no time) without fitting a specific anti-rax setup, a raven won't win however, with a fairly general setup, (with nossies) it can kill EVERY other t1 cruiser - sound fair to you? Now come on i think we have to seperate fact from the myth here. Are you seriously saying there's fleets of raven killing rax's running about! If it does happen there bloody good pilots
Kye Kenshin Sanctum's Edge	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:53:00 - [4] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: HUGO DRAX A Raven could wipe out a tanked thorax in no time what with? a raven has less drones than a rax, its missiles do (almost) nothing (unless it fits heavies, thus borking its anti-BS setup), nosferatus don't have much affect on a rax - so what is a raven supposed to do - unless that raven is in an antirax setup (with smarties, and probably heavy missiles), the rax wins. now, imagine that raven is fighting a maller - nossy the thing till its caps are dead, then use heavy drones to kill the thing - u can fire cruise missiles as well - they will add A BIT of DPS - not enough to "wipe a tanked thorax in no time) without fitting a specific anti-rax setup, a raven won't win however, with a fairly general setup, (with nossies) it can kill EVERY other t1 cruiser - sound fair to you? Now come on i think we have to seperate fact from the myth here. Are you seriously saying there's fleets of raven killing rax's running about! If it does happen there bloody good pilots
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:49:00 - [5] Jesus Christ Naughty boy! Why the hell are you so passionate about this? Its really starting to scare me. Did a gang of Thorax's beat you up and steal your lunch money as child? But im sure your just quote this thread with some long winded counter arguement. Anyway i really dont care what happens to the rax now. Nerf it all you want i moved up into T2 and BS and i dont understand why all these older players care about what happens to a friggin cruiser anyway. By the way rax having 8 drones doesn't make it capable of killing BS its the 1600mm plate that does.
Kye Kenshin Sanctum's Edge	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:49:00 - [6] Jesus Christ Naughty boy! Why the hell are you so passionate about this? Its really starting to scare me. Did a gang of Thorax's beat you up and steal your lunch money as child? But im sure your just quote this thread with some long winded counter arguement. Anyway i really dont care what happens to the rax now. Nerf it all you want i moved up into T2 and BS and i dont understand why all these older players care about what happens to a friggin cruiser anyway. By the way rax having 8 drones doesn't make it capable of killing BS its the 1600mm plate that does.
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.26 10:08:00 - [7] I think im gonna have to side with the nerf the plate people on this one now. I dont want to nerf the rax but i realised it was overpowered somewhere and at first i thought it was the drones. But it isnt its the plate. Even with 4 heavies it will still be overpowered for the sheer fact it can tank like a bs and still deal good dmg. Even if you did nerf the dronebay i would still fly it with a plate and still win. Hell i even killed a few people without drones just because i can out tank them. So the soultion is simple just limit plate's to there proper ship class.
Kye Kenshin Sanctum's Edge	Posted - 2005.08.26 10:08:00 - [8] I think im gonna have to side with the nerf the plate people on this one now. I dont want to nerf the rax but i realised it was overpowered somewhere and at first i thought it was the drones. But it isnt its the plate. Even with 4 heavies it will still be overpowered for the sheer fact it can tank like a bs and still deal good dmg. Even if you did nerf the dronebay i would still fly it with a plate and still win. Hell i even killed a few people without drones just because i can out tank them. So the soultion is simple just limit plate's to there proper ship class.
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.26 12:52:00 - [9] A big problem we have i these problems is no one seems to back up these arguements with in game tests. People just throw random numbers around that qucikly came up with at work and i dont trust it. Eve isnt a pure numbers game there's too many variables in combat to decide an outcome based on pure numbers. So instead of everyone arguing back and forth lets actually test it! How about we test Platerax with 8 heavies Platerax with 4 heavies Platerax with 10 mediums Rax with no plate with 8 heavies At least then we would have something to works with instead of numbers and statistics. P.s i think someone might of suggested this before but i cant be bothered to read through all 12 pages to find out
Kye Kenshin Sanctum's Edge	Posted - 2005.08.26 12:52:00 - [10] A big problem we have i these problems is no one seems to back up these arguements with in game tests. People just throw random numbers around that qucikly came up with at work and i dont trust it. Eve isnt a pure numbers game there's too many variables in combat to decide an outcome based on pure numbers. So instead of everyone arguing back and forth lets actually test it! How about we test Platerax with 8 heavies Platerax with 4 heavies Platerax with 10 mediums Rax with no plate with 8 heavies At least then we would have something to works with instead of numbers and statistics. P.s i think someone might of suggested this before but i cant be bothered to read through all 12 pages to find out

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